Baba Vadbagh Singh ji

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  On 9/5/2025 at 12:45 AM, VSinghz7 said:

Paaji help me pls. What do i do if I go to take Amrit and the 5 Pyaare give me wrong/corrupt Rehat. Like if I go for Amrit and they say "you must be vegetarian". After taking Amrit, can one adopt another Rehat or do I have to follow that one?

Like if they give me mainly SGPC Rehat (I know ur Nihang but bear with me on this pls Paaji) but the only difference is that they say I have to be Vegetarian, will I still be Amritdhari if I ignore that part and follow what is written in the Sikh Rehat Maryada?

If I go expecting one rehat from a Singh Sabha Gurdwara but the 5 Pyaare tell me to be veg, will I still be Amritdhari if I ignore that and follow what is written by Akal Takht instead? Or what if I choose to take Amrit at an SGPC Gurdwara, but want to follow Nihang Rehat/Buddha Dal but can't physically take Amrit from them? Will I still be Amritdhari?

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I think some people start following Nihang rehat after taking pahul from SGPC gurdwara (such as most Singh Sabha gurdwaras) . SGPC rehat will never force you to be vegetarian, most groups consider sgpc rehat as Akal Takht maryada. You should check before entering amrit sanchar which rehat it is. If it is taksali or AKJ they normally have their brtands on the poster!

[VSinghz7]

  On 9/7/2025 at 9:52 PM, ipledgeblue said:

I think some people start following Nihang rehat after taking pahul from SGPC gurdwara (such as most Singh Sabha gurdwaras) . SGPC rehat will never force you to be vegetarian, most groups consider sgpc rehat as Akal Takht maryada. You should check before entering amrit sanchar which rehat it is. If it is taksali or AKJ they normally have their brtands on the poster!

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So this event was at Southall Singh Sabha Gurughar - but it was an AKJ event, with an Amrit Sanchar. Does this mean that people who went there got AKJ Rehat or was it just a normal Singh Sabha Gurdwara Amrit Sanchar following an AKJ event? Is it possible for AKJ to tell their corrupt rehat at a Sanchar in a Singh Sabha?

 

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  On 9/8/2025 at 9:21 PM, VSinghz7 said:

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So this event was at Southall Singh Sabha Gurughar - but it was an AKJ event, with an Amrit Sanchar. Does this mean that people who went there got AKJ Rehat or was it just a normal Singh Sabha Gurdwara Amrit Sanchar following an AKJ event? Is it possible for AKJ to tell their corrupt rehat at a Sanchar in a Singh Sabha?

 

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Probably AKJ amrit sanchar. AKJ also have an extra ritual called naam dhrir, where Waheguru Naam is instilled by sewadaars into the ears of newly initiated, some even do a belly hug technique when doing this lol! Not a panthik ritual by any length, but if you see that it's a chance to run away and reject it lol! It is possible for akj to tell their rehit. I used to live near Coventry and over there the Singh Sabha gurdwara is not the main gurdwara unlike most town. Coventry Singh Sabha is mostly akj events including amrit sanchars! Anyway calling out akj can get the ire of the mods on this forum, as this forum seems to mostly be run by akj and they preferred views only inline with akj be discussed on this forum, even though it is called sikhsangat, just another warning lol!

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  On 9/9/2025 at 2:42 PM, ipledgeblue said:

Probably AKJ amrit sanchar. AKJ also have an extra ritual called naam dhrir, where Waheguru Naam is instilled by sewadaars into the ears of newly initiated, some even do a belly hug technique when doing this lol! Not a panthik ritual by any length, but if you see that it's a chance to run away and reject it lol! It is possible for akj to tell their rehit. I used to live near Coventry and over there the Singh Sabha gurdwara is not the main gurdwara unlike most town. Coventry Singh Sabha is mostly akj events including amrit sanchars! Anyway calling out akj can get the ire of the mods on this forum, as this forum seems to mostly be run by akj and they preferred views only inline with akj be discussed on this forum, even though it is called sikhsangat, just another warning lol!

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I thought Singh Sabha was guaranteed SGPC Rehat. AKJ and Damdami Taksal Rehat are fully wrong imo. Ang 1,289 of SGGS Ji's Saroop are my source.

What if i take Amrit at an AKJ Sanchaar but just start following Buddha Dal Rehat or SGPC insted? Is that fine or am I stuck with whatever the Panj say on the day?

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  On 9/10/2025 at 8:46 PM, VSinghz7 said:

I thought Singh Sabha was guaranteed SGPC Rehat. AKJ and Damdami Taksal Rehat are fully wrong imo. Ang 1,289 of SGGS Ji's Saroop are my source.

What if i take Amrit at an AKJ Sanchaar but just start following Buddha Dal Rehat or SGPC insted? Is that fine or am I stuck with whatever the Panj say on the day?

most Singhs will say follow your panj.

However there is a loophole which was done once by Master Tara Singh and 4 other Singhs on another Singh who took pahul from AKJ early last century, I need to find it.  The only issue is AKJ are also going to give you naam dhrir which teaches to do Waheguru simran in a way which is annoying to myself and other traditional sikhs, and makes for very controversial keertan videos on youtube tiktok!

Why not practice rehit first and then take pahul from panj you are comfortable with? There is no point in taking pahul from a panj if you are already aware of them? That is why I waited as well as I do not follow sgpc!

[VSinghz7]

  On 9/11/2025 at 3:16 PM, ipledgeblue said:

most Singhs will say follow your panj.

However there is a loophole which was done once by Master Tara Singh and 4 other Singhs on another Singh who took pahul from AKJ early last century, I need to find it.  The only issue is AKJ are also going to give you naam dhrir which teaches to do Waheguru simran in a way which is annoying to myself and other traditional sikhs, and makes for very controversial keertan videos on youtube tiktok!

Why not practice rehit first and then take pahul from panj you are comfortable with? There is no point in taking pahul from a panj if you are already aware of them? That is why I waited as well as I do not follow sgpc!

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ok thanks. Best bet may be to fly out to Anandpur Sahib and take it. Who did you take it from then?

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  On 9/11/2025 at 9:25 PM, VSinghz7 said:

ok thanks. Best bet may be to fly out to Anandpur Sahib and take it. Who did you take it from then?

Took it from Coventry, Guru Hargobind gurdwara run by Tarna Dal. At Anandpur Sahib you can take pahul with purataan maryada from Nihangs at gurdwara shadeedi bagh, otherwise at takht Keshgarh sahib it will just be sgpc maryada unfortunately! East London is another place to find amrit sanchars with puraatan maryada. There is even a Nihang gurdwara in Amritsar which does jhatka, as well as some Nihang chaunis. You will find other places in Panjab as well. Takht Hajoor Sahib, although not administered by Nihang Singhs directly and the mukhis/mahants are shastardhari, they follow a puraatan maryada and it is endorsed by dal panth anyway!

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  On 9/12/2025 at 3:16 PM, ipledgeblue said:

Took it from Coventry, Guru Hargobind gurdwara run by Tarna Dal. At Anandpur Sahib you can take pahul with purataan maryada from Nihangs at gurdwara shadeedi bagh, otherwise at takht Keshgarh sahib it will just be sgpc maryada unfortunately! East London is another place to find amrit sanchars with puraatan maryada. There is even a Nihang gurdwara in Amritsar which does jhatka, as well as some Nihang chaunis. You will find other places in Panjab as well. Takht Hajoor Sahib, although not administered by Nihang Singhs directly and the mukhis/mahants are shastardhari, they follow a puraatan maryada and it is endorsed by dal panth anyway!

I grew up in Leyton, East London about 20 yrs ago and still conect with sangat there. and there's no Puratan Maryada. 

Barking and Goodmayes Gurdware are both SGPC (unless AKJ offers them mroe money) Karamsar are veg Ramgarhia is Damdami taksal Rehat Roseberry avenue Gurdwara are veg Gravesend, grays are both veg maryada too

There's no Puratan Maryada here. Most ppl just go Southall to take Amrit or they wait for Vaisakhi and go to Goodmayes which does SGPC Rehat

What's the breakdown of the 5 Takhts Rehat?

- Akal Takht = SGPC

- Kesgarh Sahib = SGPC

Are the other 3 SGPC too?

 

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  On 9/12/2025 at 9:31 PM, VSinghz7 said:

I grew up in Leyton, East London about 20 yrs ago and still conect with sangat there. and there's no Puratan Maryada. 

Barking and Goodmayes Gurdware are both SGPC (unless AKJ offers them mroe money) Karamsar are veg Ramgarhia is Damdami taksal Rehat Roseberry avenue Gurdwara are veg Gravesend, grays are both veg maryada too

There's no Puratan Maryada here. Most ppl just go Southall to take Amrit or they wait for Vaisakhi and go to Goodmayes which does SGPC Rehat

What's the breakdown of the 5 Takhts Rehat?

- Akal Takht = SGPC

- Kesgarh Sahib = SGPC

Are the other 3 SGPC too?

 

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Takht Hajoor Sahib is definetly Puraatan, Patna Sahib probably too! Panjva takht is shianve karor Shiromani Budha Dal, so of course it is! Only SGPC and their associate jathebandis believes in Damdama Sahib as 5th takht and guess which maryada they have there? lol

Yes I noticed Ramgharia gurdwaras usually invite Damdami Taksal for amrit sanchar. Even though their gurdwaras are getting big on celebrating "Maharaja" Jassa Singh Ramgharia birthdays every year, they don't seem to want to invite Singhs following Puraatan Khalsa fauj maryada.

I just presumed because Nihang Singhs do programmes down East London they have a gurdwara or something setup there. I don't know any place that Nihang Singhs give khanda pahul in West London, closest I know is Nanaksar.

[VSinghz7]

  On 9/16/2025 at 11:05 PM, ipledgeblue said:

Takht Hajoor Sahib is definetly Puraatan, Patna Sahib probably too! Panjva takht is shianve karor Shiromani Budha Dal, so of course it is! Only SGPC and their associate jathebandis believes in Damdama Sahib as 5th takht and guess which maryada they have there? lol

Yes I noticed Ramgharia gurdwaras usually invite Damdami Taksal for amrit sanchar. Even though their gurdwaras are getting big on celebrating "Maharaja" Jassa Singh Ramgharia birthdays every year, they don't seem to want to invite Singhs following Puraatan Khalsa fauj maryada.

I just presumed because Nihang Singhs do programmes down East London they have a gurdwara or something setup there. I don't know any place that Nihang Singhs give khanda pahul in West London, closest I know is Nanaksar.

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India is probs best then

Btw can I bring a 3 foot kirpan from India back to the UK?