Baba Vadbagh Singh ji

[caveman]

  On 5/12/2020 at 9:13 PM, puzzled said:

"Vadhbhag Singh was born into a Khatri Sodhi family in the city of Kartarpur. A direct descendant of Guru Hargobind, he belonged to the lineage of Dhirmal & his heretical group, the Dhirmalias. Vadhbhag Singh’s family had by this time, reconciled with the main body of Sikhs (1)

Vadhbhag Singh became the leader of Kartarpur—a city in Doaba established by Guru Arjan Dev (to be distinguished from the separate Kartarpur established by Guru Nanak), with Gurdwara Thamm Sahib. In 1757, when Abdali invaded India, he sent his general Nasar Ali to Doaba (2)

Nasar Ali conquered Doaba for the Pathan forces under Abdali. He made Jalandhar his capital, and also paid a visit to the neighboring Kartarpur, where Vadhbhag Singh was born and now led. (3)

Nasar Ali captured Vadhbhag Singh and cruelly tortured him. He also razed the city of Kartarpur, slaughtering its civilians, burned its main Gurdwara Thamm Sahib to the ground, and defiling the sarovar with slaughtered cows.Vadhbhag Singh was able to escape to the nearby hills(4)

Vadhbhag Singh was angry at his failure to protect the holy Sikh site of Thamm Sahib (pictured here) and vowed outright vengeance upon Nasar Ali for his brutality and sacrilege (excerpts from Panth Parkash by Rattan Singh) (5)

Adina Beg Khan was an Arain Mughal Nawab who wanted to reclaim Jalandhar from Pathan clutches. He heard of Vadhbhag Singh and went to visit him in the hills. The two greeted each other with respectful religious greetings and decided to forge a military alliance for Jalandhar (6)

In exchange for Sikh support for the Mughals conquest of Doaba from the Pathans, Vadhbhag Singh got an oath from Adina Beg that he would be allowed to brutally pillage Jalandhar in eye-for-eye retribution for what the Pathans had done to Kartarpur and Gurdwara Thamm Sahib (7)

Vadhbhag Singh then appealed to the main Dal Khalsa (Khalsa army) at the time led by Jassa Singh Ahluwalia and stationed in Majha, for his purpose of avenging the destruction of the Gurdwara. The Dal Khalsa arrived to Vadhbhag Singh’s request (8)

The Dal Khalsa defeated the Pathan army defending Jalandhar. Upon this, knowing of the vengeance, fearful civilians appealed to Adina Beg for mercy on them. Afraid of Vadhbhag Singh, Adina Beg appealed to Jassa Singh of the Khalsa Army for mercy upon the civilians of Jalandhar(9)

Jassa Singh convened a Sarbat Khalsa to discuss this proposal, which Vadbhag Singh answered by swearing that he would kill himself and any Sikh who stopped him from totally destroying Jalandhar. At this, the Khalsa Army agreed to move forward with the original, brutal, plan (10)

In perhaps of the most merciless attacks by the Sikh army, all the surrendered Pathans in Jalandhar were slaughtered, and the entire city was sacked. Vadhbhag Singh only explicitly offered mercy to women & those who converted and became Sikhs on the spot (11)

In an act of personal retribution, Vadhbhag Singh dug up the tomb of Nasar Ali (the Afghan general who had tortured him and defiled Kartarpur) stuffed pork into his mouth as an act of sacrilege, and burnt his remains the same way he had burnt Gurdwara Thumm Sahib (12)

Following this, the Mughals under Adina Beg reclaimed custody of Jalandhar+Doaba, and formed an alliance with the Khalsa Army. Vadhbhag Singh retreated to the hills (in present day Himachel Pradesh) and lived the left of his life as an ascetic, starting a dera (13)

His hagiography includes him adopting a raksha (demon) as his first disciple. He is remembered affectionately as Baba Vadbhag Singh, and his dera is still established with many devotees, and as a place to receive exorcisms for spiritual possessions

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Dhan dhan baba Sodhi vadbhag Singh ji

[ipledgeblue]

  On 8/7/2025 at 3:44 PM, VSinghz7 said:

question, which Amrit rehat is actually closest to what Guru Gobind Singh Ji gave in 1699? And did they wear kesari or navy chola/kurta on the day?

Dal panth rehat is closest. sahibjada Baba Fateh Singh wore the neela bana and dumalla from his great grandfather Guru Hargobind ji, and Guru Gobind Singh adopted this into khalsa as well. The dal panth Nihang Singhs used to give pahul at all 4 takhts. When the khalsa jathas were combined into the 2 dals, at that time Budha Dal was responsible for giving pahul to the Singhs and behaved as the 5th chakarvarti takht which watched over as praband of the gurdwaras with the tradition being of the mukhi of budha Dal being mukhi/mahant of Akal Bunga/Akal Takht as well.

[VSinghz7]

  On 8/21/2025 at 12:20 AM, ipledgeblue said:

Dal panth rehat is closest. sahibjada Baba Fateh Singh wore the neela bana and dumalla from his great grandfather Guru Hargobind ji, and Guru Gobind Singh adopted this into khalsa as well. The dal panth Nihang Singhs used to give pahul at all 4 takhts. When the khalsa jathas were combined into the 2 dals, at that time Budha Dal was responsible for giving pahul to the Singhs and behaved as the 5th chakarvarti takht which watched over as praband of the gurdwaras with the tradition being of the mukhi of budha Dal being mukhi/mahant of Akal Bunga/Akal Takht as well.

thanks. And what's Taksali Maryada?

And if 4 of the 5 Takhts allow meat eating in their Rehat, where did the whole "vegetarian Amritdhari" idea come from?

[caveman]

  On 8/28/2025 at 5:39 PM, VSinghz7 said:

thanks. And what's Taksali Maryada?

And if 4 of the 5 Takhts allow meat eating in their Rehat, where did the whole "vegetarian Amritdhari" idea come from?

Akjs, taksali and nirmala influence. Past 100 yrs 

[VSinghz7]

  On 8/29/2025 at 3:59 PM, caveman said:

Akjs, taksali and nirmala influence. Past 100 yrs 

you do eat meat right?

Also, how do we explain the verses in Maharaj's saroop which seem to be against it, like "those who eat fish are corrupt"?

[ipledgeblue]

  On 9/1/2025 at 10:19 PM, VSinghz7 said:

you do eat meat right?

Also, how do we explain the verses in Maharaj's saroop which seem to be against it, like "those who eat fish are corrupt"?

not a good idea to do a meat discussion on this forum. A decade ago it could get accounts banned, but nowadays the current mods are a bit more lenient but probably not a good idea to push it lol

but regardless, if it is bani, post it and let's see. There was a thread about bani and someone posted a twisted meaning about meat or halal. lol the thread became hidden when I explained the bani!

[VSinghz7]

  On 9/4/2025 at 4:26 PM, ipledgeblue said:

not a good idea to do a meat discussion on this forum. A decade ago it could get accounts banned, but nowadays the current mods are a bit more lenient but probably not a good idea to push it lol

but regardless, if it is bani, post it and let's see. There was a thread about bani and someone posted a twisted meaning about meat or halal. lol the thread became hidden when I explained the bani!

Paaji help me pls. What do i do if I go to take Amrit and the 5 Pyaare give me wrong/corrupt Rehat. Like if I go for Amrit and they say "you must be vegetarian". After taking Amrit, can one adopt another Rehat or do I have to follow that one?

Like if they give me mainly SGPC Rehat (I know ur Nihang but bear with me on this pls Paaji) but the only difference is that they say I have to be Vegetarian, will I still be Amritdhari if I ignore that part and follow what is written in the Sikh Rehat Maryada?

If I go expecting one rehat from a Singh Sabha Gurdwara but the 5 Pyaare tell me to be veg, will I still be Amritdhari if I ignore that and follow what is written by Akal Takht instead? Or what if I choose to take Amrit at an SGPC Gurdwara, but want to follow Nihang Rehat/Buddha Dal but can't physically take Amrit from them? Will I still be Amritdhari?