Is suraj parkash right? is it a reliable source of info?

[S1ngh]

Very good replies by sangat 

[Jashanuppal]

  On 5/5/2020 at 5:01 PM, MokhamSingh said:

Sri Gurpratap Suraj Parkash Granth is a masterpiece in its own right. It is important to note that some accounts in it do not conform to the teachings of SSGS. 

When Kavi Santokh Singh did katha of ten Patshahi’s, he had helpers who helped to put this katha in to written form. It is important to note that some of these helpers were Devi worshippers. So, they would’ve tried to make Guru Ji look like a Devi worshipper.

There were some people who took opium, and so told Santokh Singh that Guru Ji did too. This was the best way to cover their own shortcomings...by associating Guru Ji with it!!!

A man named Sahib Singh was bribed by the British to claim that Raag Mala was not Gurbani. Sahib Singh told Santokh Singh to say that Raag Mala was not Gurbani. But reading this Granth, it is clear that Santokh Singh states that this is what he was told!

I am not telling you what or not what to believe, but whenever you listen to parchar from anyone, please first look in to whose payroll or agenda they are on!!!

New parcharaks are paid vast amounts of money to break the Khalsa spirit!!!

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So how it could be masterpiece if it has this kinds of problems . Its telling guru sahib a nashedi and then u say its a masterpiece. 

[Arsh1469]

  On 12/28/2020 at 10:28 AM, Jashanuppal said:

So how it could be masterpiece if it has this kinds of problems . Its telling guru sahib a nashedi and then u say its a masterpiece. 

It is like 95% the truth. So practically a Masterpiece.

It also is possible that Guru ji had his army took Opium as medicine.

 

[GurjantGnostic]

  On 12/30/2020 at 12:51 PM, Arsh1469 said:

It is like 95% the truth. So practically a Masterpiece.

It also is possible that Guru ji had his army took Opium as medicine.

 

Just because Guru Gobind Singh Maharaja had afeem for his troops doesn't mean he used it. 

[Arsh1469]

  On 12/30/2020 at 5:52 PM, GurjantGnostic said:

Just because Guru Gobind Singh Maharaja had afeem for his troops doesn't mean he used it. 

If he made his troops use it it is likely he did but also it's likely that he and his army never took opium.

[GurjantGnostic]

  On 12/30/2020 at 5:58 PM, Arsh1469 said:

If he made his troops use it it is likely he did but also it's likely that he and his army never took opium.

Anyone of a certain...Shakti? Or.... Sharda? Gyann? Wouldn't need it. But considering you have huge groups of recently welcomed new Singhs like the...Marathis? You can't expect new Singhs without enough time in Gursikhi to withstand certain pain without readily available afeem. Unless the Gurus had worked miracles in their favor basically. As it seems to me. 

Shaheed Singhs and obviously Guru Sahiban would have no need or desire. 

[chatanga1]

  On 12/28/2020 at 10:28 AM, Jashanuppal said:

So how it could be masterpiece if it has this kinds of problems . Its telling guru sahib a nashedi and then u say its a masterpiece. 

Using drugs does not make someone a nashedi. Simply because more or less all medicines come from drugs.

Afeem was used for horrific injuries which came from war. Can you imgaine your hand, arm being hacked off ? And then having nothing to deal with the pain? Whenever Sikhs suffered horrific battle injuries, they would use afeem (modern day opium/morphine) to alleviate the pain. It wasn't used for recreation or daily pleasure.

 

 

 

  On 12/30/2020 at 12:51 PM, Arsh1469 said:

It is like 95% the truth. So practically a Masterpiece.

It also is possible that Guru ji had his army took Opium as medicine.

 

Afeem was only used as required. Kavi Santokh Singh says that Guru Sahib kept a personal amount of afeem which he used to give to Sikhs for their injuries. What is wrong with this?

 

  On 12/30/2020 at 5:52 PM, GurjantGnostic said:

Just because Guru Gobind Singh Maharaja had afeem for his troops doesn't mean he used it. 

Suraj Parkash says that Guru Sahib gave afeem to Sikhs.

 

  On 12/30/2020 at 5:58 PM, Arsh1469 said:

If he made his troops use it it is likely he did but also it's likely that he and his army never took opium.

Guru Sahib never "made" his Sikhs use it, but administered it as required. Do you see the difference.

 

  On 12/30/2020 at 10:07 PM, GurjantGnostic said:

Anyone of a certain...Shakti? Or.... Sharda? Gyann? Wouldn't need it. But considering you have huge groups of recently welcomed new Singhs like the...Marathis? You can't expect new Singhs without enough time in Gursikhi to withstand certain pain without readily available afeem. Unless the Gurus had worked miracles in their favor basically. As it seems to me. 

Shaheed Singhs and obviously Guru Sahiban would have no need or desire. 

Yes, I think that would work upto a certain point only though.

[Singh0333]

NO IT IS COMPLETELY WRONG TO RELIABLE ON SURAJ PARKASH.....AS IT IS THE MOST MYTHOLOGICAL AND AHYSTORICAL PART OF SIKH HISTORY...ONLY GURU GRANTH SAHIB JI IS RELIABLE BECAUSE ALL TEACHINGS OF GURUS ARE IN GURU GRANTH SAHIB JI AND IT IS ALSO WRITTEN BY GUEUS....WHEREAS SURAJ PARKASH IS NIETHER WRITTEN BY GURUS NOR THIER TRUE TEACHINGS ARE WRITTEN. BASICALLY IN SIMPLE WORDS IT IS COMPLETELY OPPOSITE TO GURU GRANTH SAHIB JI....ONLY SOURCE OF SIKH TEACHINGS...FOR EXAMPLE IN GURU GRANTH SAHIB JI GURUS TOLD NOT TO CELEVRATE SHRADS....WITH A VERY BEAUTIFUL REASON WHEREAS IN SURAJ PARKASH IT IS WRITTEN THAT ALL GURUS DID THIS....EVEN THIS BOOK STATES THAT GURU GOBIND SINGH JI EAT AFEEMS....WHICH IS 100% WRONG AND SHAMEFUL...THAT'S WHY MOST OF (ABOUT 95% SIKHS) DOESN'T BELIVE IN THIS DUE TO THESE TYPE PF MANY MYTHOLOGICAL STORIES

[Arsh1469]

Take everything with a grain of salt and know that this text is practically all oral history so there will be mistakes like other people said many people gave Kavi Ji false info. So it is semi reliable.

[chatanga1]

  On 4/7/2021 at 2:28 AM, Singh0333 said:

ONLY GURU GRANTH SAHIB JI IS RELIABLE BECAUSE ALL TEACHINGS OF GURUS ARE IN GURU GRANTH SAHIB JI

If all the teachings of the Guru's are in SGGS, then please tell me which ang I may find the teaching to have "Singh" in my name. If you can't find it, then can you please remove "Singh" from you name?

 

 

  On 4/7/2021 at 2:28 AM, Singh0333 said:

EVEN THIS BOOK STATES THAT GURU GOBIND SINGH JI EAT AFEEMS....WHICH IS 100% WRONG AND SHAMEFUL

 

Suraj Parkash Granth says that Guru Ji kept afeem (opioids) in a small box, which he gave to severely wounded Sikhs in battle, to alleviate their pain. What is wrong and shameful about that?